2006-02-26 [Moonknight]: I am not good at making wikis, any help anyone?

2006-02-27 [Kelaria]: oooh... I've met some ET people :) can I put them up?

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: Yay! of course you may :) I just think this looks terribly messy right now though.

2006-02-27 [Kelaria]: Yay!

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: I'm thinking we can have wikis for each meeting (with photos or whatever) linked here. but I dunno how to organize it and what look to give to it all.

2006-02-27 [Kelaria]: Well, not everyone will have photos for their meetings necessarily... I have some, but not a whole lot. I could put up what I have I suppose... :)

2006-02-27 [Kelaria]: It doesnt have to be completely organized right away. It will take time, but I can help to the best of my ability ^_^

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: yay! thank you :)

2006-02-27 [Kelaria]: It's no problem ^_^ I like being helpful! :D

2006-02-27 [Dil*]: wow! this is amazing...there are many friends on here I would like to meet.

2006-02-27 [Stray Kitty]: I've met with a few people on Elftown. Could I add them?

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: make a wiki with the photos and all that, and then list it here

2006-02-27 [Stray Kitty]: There's not really any photos. I met [underline2] in art class and we discovered that we both were ET members and EW artists.

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: hee, well then ill just put your names here. ^_^

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: was that this year or last year?

2006-02-27 [Stray Kitty]: Well, we met last year but she's still in my art class.

2006-02-27 [Sunrose]: Grah! I was editing! Now I lost all because Santiago started editing! >_____<

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: oops,..

2006-02-27 [sairas_tytto]: Hm.. I was thinking maybe we should only put people who met through elftown. I mean, if I tell all my classmates about ET, then it will be me bringing them here, not ET bringing us close

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: I don't know, I guess we have to think about those details :P but I think it still counts like that, just the idea of Real life interaction you know ?

2006-02-27 [sairas_tytto]: Yes, I see your point :)

2006-02-27 [sairas_tytto]: Haha, it's funny! :P You've met [suss] who's met [Hedda] who's met [Sunrose] who's met [Isilando] who's met me! If the meeting attribute was transitive it would be like we had met xP

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: Hahahah, you hav a funny brain, but you're right :) there's a name for that thing, where eveyrone theoretically can be connected to everyone else in the world like that, but forgot the name :P

2006-02-27 [Sunrose]: I've only put up people I met through Elftown and so did [Zepher*]. [Zepher*] has met or knows a couple of more Dutchies...

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: If theyre on Elftown then thats what matters,.just to show how many elftowners know each other in real life :)

2006-02-27 [Melocrie]: Can I add mine? And does it also count if you already know Elftowners in real life?

2006-02-27 [Melocrie]: Oeee and I would LOVE to help with graphics!!

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: its alright if you already know them, ill add you, who did you mean IRL? with the graphics, we could use some dividers.

2006-02-27 [Sunrose]: Btw if the list is to be in alphabetical order...the 'has met' list should be too :P

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: I thought about it, but haven't done it because it's too much trouble, but I noticed you did do it with the names you placed, heh. by the way, you should post pictures on Elftowners Meet Photos , I dunno about how to organize that other one, my brain aint working

2006-02-27 [Sunrose]: I don't have pictures of every meeting though :o

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: just the one syou have or feel like putting

2006-02-27 [Melocrie]: Yay^^ I've met [May-lea], and I already know [Gilraen Miriel] and [Fixien]..And about the dividers, I'm on it^^

2006-02-27 [Melocrie]: Shall I upload the divider to the wiki? That way you can use it the way you choose^^

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: Alright :)

2006-02-27 [Melocrie]: Done :) Hope it's okay

2006-02-27 [Moonknight]: kind of like a map? it should work :) but ill edit the page later, im too tired right now :P Danke!

2006-02-27 [Melocrie]: LOL! No problem ;)

2006-02-28 [Fizban]: - [Hedda]     Has met [Sunrose][suss][Serwa][Nita] ----needs to include - [Anonymous]   with the sadness that he has not been here for hundreds of days.

2006-02-28 [Moonknight]: ill get to it next time I edit this then :)

2006-02-28 [Diiwica]: hi there

2006-02-28 [Sunrose]: I don't remember [Hedda] meeting [Anonymous] O_O where did you get that from?? [Anonymous] is still secretly here btw

2006-02-28 [Moonknight]: I didnt edit that, someone else did.

2006-02-28 [Sunrose]: I was referring to [Fizban]'s comment, not the wiki :)

2006-03-01 [Fizban]: Anonymous is still secretly here O.o...*looks around wearily* hehe...cool. Lols, I dont know that, I am just telling you what you told me,...and when I say you told me, look at the 2nd name from the top of hte list, its anonymous's,...what is the next name on his list of those he's met? [Hedda] so I figured, if he met hedda, obviously that means that hedda had to have met him lols...so if you guys say that anonymous has met Hedda, then it should reciprocate that and say that on hedda's list. So, if they never met, then instead of adding anonymous to hedda's list, take hedda off of anonymous's list...

2006-03-01 [Sunrose]: That was supposed to be my own name xD

2006-03-02 [Fizban]: Lols!!! Well, glad I could help&confuse the situation at the same time ^^___^^

2006-03-20 [Isilando]: omg santiago, awesome wiki :P Btw, does [sairas_tytto] count for me as meeting her? I brought her here :P If she does, there is a bunch of other greeks you should add, but I don't count people I brought here. You should add [blackcoatman] though because I met him because of ET. And [Yiwerra] and [Klopstock] too. [Klopstock] <3 Also, [Faery] and [Adorelai] (who hasn't been here for 3000 years). Hm, that's all I can remember. And I thought you had screenshots of us :P So, where are they? ;)

2006-03-20 [Isilando]: And let's put a count number next to each member, just for show off :P

2006-03-20 [Sunrose]: You can add them yourself :P

2006-03-20 [Isilando]: No :p

2006-03-20 [Sunrose]: Yes, you lazy bum! :P

2006-03-20 [ally]: *sees own name on list without knowing existance of wiki* :O

2006-03-20 [Sunrose]: That's because it was put in reverse too :p

2006-03-20 [ally]: As I remember correctly I was the one driving all the way to you :P

2006-03-20 [Sunrose]: I don't get what you are trying to say >_>

2006-03-20 [ally]: Then I didn't get what you were trying to say :P

2006-03-20 [Sunrose]: If I met you, then you met me too....so if I add my name with yours, your name can be added with mine :P

2006-03-20 [All_Most PUNK]: Gah, now I really need to get together with Santiago and Patri, so I can figure here.

2006-03-20 [ally]: Why not meet meeeee? :'(

2006-03-20 [All_Most PUNK]: The distance factor, my dear ally.

2006-03-20 [ally]: Pssh geography is for wusses.

2006-03-20 [All_Most PUNK]: Yep, we agreed in that. For wusses and people wiht no money :P

2006-03-20 [Moonknight]: if it werent for the little matter of flying being so expensive, It would be cool to organize a big reunion or something, but me and Patricio are on the other corner of the world.

2006-03-20 [All_Most PUNK]: We are probably the most geographically challenged in this wiki, Santiago.

2006-03-20 [Moonknight]: Indeed, well, us and the aussies, ah, I think there's no aussies on this wiki..

2006-03-20 [ally]: Since most of us are in Europe, you guys are the ones that'll have to fly over :P

2006-03-20 [Moonknight]: evidently, I dont mind, as long as I can get money somehow,.

2006-03-20 [Isilando]: You can make porno movies, Santiago!

2006-03-20 [Moonknight]: hahah! No one would be interested in watching pornos with me on them.

2006-03-21 [Ocean Soul]: You take that 'no one' back this moment xP

2006-03-21 [Iron Twat]: OOO, i would like to add that [Diiwica] has met myself[Iron Twat], [hades32] and some others. Could that be added to the page?

2006-03-21 [Ocean Soul]: You could, for example, add it yourself ;)

2006-03-21 [Iron Twat]: ok

2006-03-21 [Diiwica]: And yes joe you are correct i have lol, Very busy person lol

2006-03-25 [Isilando]: Sorry to interrupt again, but I'd like a theshold about what is considered meeting :P Please give me a definition :p And do people that we brought in here count as ET meetings?

2006-03-25 [ally]: No.

2006-03-25 [Isilando]: *cheekpinch*

2006-03-25 [ally]: *bites off fingers* No pinching! ><

2006-05-14 [Dil*]: oi, anyone here live in Canada?

2006-05-14 [Stray Kitty]: No, I live in California.

2006-05-14 [Dil*]: it would be cool to meet someone from ET.., but no creepies. The people on this page are cool.

2006-05-14 [Stray Kitty]: Yeah. It's always cool to meet someone and have them know about Elfwood or Elftown.

2006-05-14 [Moonknight]: haha, there are nice people and scary people all over the place, but well, the guys here are rather nice ^_^

2006-05-14 [Stray Kitty]: Yeah. I like much better than myspace. The majority of people here are inttelligent.

2006-05-14 [Moonknight]: you are comparing it to myspace? hahaha, myspace is pure moronic evil. it's the worst community of the internet. ;)

2006-05-14 [Stray Kitty]: Definately. It scares me there. This is much, much better. Plus Dad can't find out of tune wannabe country singers here.

2006-05-15 [pixish]: *starts singing keylessly about how her boyfriend left her for a cow*

2006-05-15 [Stray Kitty]: Yeah, well I can't actually hear you and ,y dad can't buy your CD.

2006-05-15 [pixish]: I can arrange it ;p

2006-05-15 [Dil*]: Myspace just sucks. 

2006-05-15 [Moonknight]: Agreed

2006-05-16 [Dil*]: It wouldn't be so bad if there weren't so many vile emo kids.

2006-05-16 [pixish]: emo kids are people too...

2006-05-16 [Dil*]: yes, but they annoy me because they're all clones..I swear.

2006-05-16 [Moonknight]: the masses are like that, they dont think for themselves, they just adopt a prefabricated identity

2006-05-16 [Dil*]: When they all have the same photo angle shots, it bugs me. Or should I say...the 'style' which...gah, is so unoriginal because it's so..everywhere. Once in a while, I may stumble on something...different, but it's rare. Oh so rare.

2006-05-18 [Stray Kitty]: I have an issue with emo sterotype. First of all it makes them out to be rather annoying and emotional, and a good deal of the emo pictures have the guys being gay. Which is fine. But the ones at my school aren't like that. They're vicious little varmits, like squirells, that may look all sad and pathetic, but are really vicous, closed-minded and homophobic. It's horrible. Plus the ones at my school aren't even all that good looking.

2006-06-23 [Iron Twat]: thats called poser emo theres a difference

2006-06-23 [Iron Twat]: the real emo people are all sad and suicidal and all that emotional shit that emos do

2006-06-24 [Stray Kitty]: So now there are emos, wihch everybody hates because they're (faking?) being emotional and suicidal, then there are fake emos who fake being emo? That sounds odd.

2006-06-24 [Moonknight]: why are you guys talking about "emo-ness" on this wiki?

2006-06-24 [Ocean Soul]: God I'm glad we don't have this emo poser and so on trash here >.>

2006-06-24 [Kelaria]: I think this wiki may have escaped it, but emos have definitely invaded Elftown... sad and pathetic as ever... ugh... pisses me off so much.

2006-06-24 [Ocean Soul]: Everyone talks about labels and "don't label me", but there you go.. I don't know exactly *where* that all comes from, but it is really annoying

2006-06-24 [Kelaria]: Labels wouldnt exist if they werent true. Just like how many stereotypes wouldnt exist without being mostly true. It's part of life. And a part that people need to face. I'm labeled as a weirdo, but I'm proud of it! I love being weird and insane. No one's going to stop me from that. Labels are earned, not just randomly slapped on someone.

2006-06-24 [Sunrose]: Wow, that's kind of closeminded O_o Stereotypes totally ignore individuals and are influenced by emotions, prejudice, discrimination and the likes of that. Same goes for labels. Often enticed by fear and/or misunderstanding. Plus the need for structure and control over the environment. Dividing people like this makes them semi-predictable, which makes people feel comfortable.

2006-06-24 [Kelaria]: The problem is that people have become less individualized these days. Look at young teenagers. What are they all doing? Are they all acting like individuals? I'm so sorry to sound this way, and believe me, I am not closed minded, I was once suffering similar discriminations. But lately all I see are these young "goth/emo" kids running around claiming to be individuals, but then acting and dressing exactly like all the other "goth/emo" kids out there. It's actually very sad.

2006-06-24 [Sunrose]: Actually society is more about 'I' than 'us' compared to history and a couple of countries present day (even China is becoming more individualistic). What is sad about choosing a rolemodel? Everyone does that from birth on. Just because you don't like their choice, doesn't mean they are bad people. Individualism has brought personal growth to people, but also decay of social structure. Aside from that it is by far 'all young teenagers' to whom your aggrevation applies.

2006-06-24 [Kelaria]: I have reasons for disliking the emo-stereotype. I know emo people. I have spent time with them. They fake depression and cut themselves for the sole reason of getting attention. That is what emo is. That is what the emo group represents. Because of the emo group I, as a clinically depressed (and diagnosed with real depression, not just teen pathetic depression, which I have seen) person, have dealt with problems of emotional distress and needing real help. But I couldnt get that help because I knew if anyone knew I was hurting myself or anything, they'd slap me as emo and laugh at me. Those emo children are taking attention away from people who REALLY need it.

2006-06-24 [Kelaria]: In the words of my good friend Jon: "Stereotyping is simply grouping people with similar traits. So if you don't want to be called goth, stop wearing black lipstick and chains, duh! (i.e. If you don't want to be labelled, don't wear the label.)" Perhaps not the best choice of words. but he's got a point.

2006-06-24 [Sunrose]: I have been through and am going through similar things as you and I still say you can't judge people like that. Even if I may do it too out of bitterness against the world sometimes (which would be hypocritical, but I never said I was perfect), generally I feel everyone deserves a chance and there might be more to it than you know of. And as for wearing the label, I guess I have double standards there. I'd apply that statement to certain things (ie Lonsdale clothes are often worn by skinheads). The issue here though wasn't about wanting to be called a label or not, but the prejudice that stick to those labels.

2006-06-24 [Kelaria]: I'm not saying people arent individuals. I'm just saying for people who want to be an individual than BE an individual! I'm not stopping them. No one is except themselves. If they want to not be labelled then they need to stop labelling themselves. They say "I'm goth" or "I'm emo." That's a label! They're labelling themselves! They cant complain if they're stereotyped and labelled if they label themselves first.

2006-06-24 [Kelaria]: does that make sense?

2006-06-24 [Kelaria]: I think that maybe my point was misunderstood. So I'm hoping that what I've said just now makes more sense.

2006-06-24 [Sunrose]: It is impossible to be a total individual: you are a group with all the others who say the exact same things as you are now.

2006-06-24 [Kelaria]: The thing is... I may be in a group, but at least I try to be myself. I wear clothes that fit me and that I like personally. I choose not to wear makeup because I dont need it. I act the way I want to and dont conform my behavior a certain way for my friends or anyone else. I am me. The problem is, a lot of people go out and buy clothes because they fit a certain image. They wear the kind of jewelry that fits that image. They act in a certain way that fits that image. I'm talking the hard core goth/emo people who really follow those things. They exist and they've set the stereotype. Now anyone who wants to say they're an "emo" has to deal with that stereotype. I'm not saying it's fair.

2006-06-24 [Kelaria]: I'm just stating a fact.

2006-06-24 [Sunrose]: So basically you can't like things a certain group likes or you'd be considered part of that group and stereotyped against. Even if I understand the point you're making, I still think people deserve more. When looking at stereotypes and trying to apply them to individuals, they hardly ever actually apply to those individuals. At least if you take effort to get to know them.

2006-06-24 [Kelaria]: I'm not saying that necessarily. I'm just saying you have to accept that you'll be stereotyped if you're going act that way and be that way. *shrugs*

2006-06-24 [Sunrose]: And I guess I am just saying I wish it wasn't necessary to have to accept that... :)

2006-06-24 [Kelaria]: Mostly what I was referring to, before I was "attacked" (so it felt) with assumptions that I'm trying to stereotype everyone, was that there are people who are of a certain stereotype or another that are completely rotten and annoying (like the emo-kids who take attention from people who truly need it). There will be stereotypes because it's part of human nature to group people and to analyze people. It's how we make friends and get to know people. It's even part of how we select a mate. Stereotypes exist, whether we like them or not. And they will exist probably forever until the world ends. It's just part of life.

2006-06-24 [Kelaria]: And I'm not saying it's not unfortunate.

2006-06-24 [Sunrose]: Where did you see me state that you stereotype everyone? You are the one now concluding to assumptions. And then actually confirming everyone does it. I wasn't attacking you, I thought we were simply having a discussion. No personal issues or hostility involved from my side, simply sharing ideas and bringing in arguments supporting our views. I might be fiery when discussing, but that's all there is to it. Discussion would only help looking at things from different angles as well as expressing your point more clearly. And my final point still remains: I wish it wasn't necessary to accept it, however I do know and believe it is part of human nature (which I indirectly emphasized earlier).

2006-06-24 [Sunrose]: Doesn't mean though you can't try to not apply them, there are people who can do that :)

2006-06-24 [Kelaria]: It wasnt just you... I guess I was just feeling attacked in general... *sad-face* it wasnt that I was concluding to assumptions, just feeeeling persecuted. See, I'm a lover, not a fighter :P I'm non-confrontational... even though I seem to get in a lot of "heated discussions" *prances around* okay... I dont feel attacked anymore :P

2006-06-25 [Sunrose]: *hugs* mm I think I'm both :P That's good then ^^

2006-06-25 [Kelaria]: *hugs back* YAY! I got a hug! :D *dances around joyfully* ^_^

2006-06-25 [Diiwica]: *randomly hugs everyone.* Personally i feel that it doesnt matter what sterio type someone is as long as they have a value of freindship that they hold close for you and all others. I mean so what if someone calls you a goth opr emo or heaven knows what ever else... they are jsut names no?

2006-06-25 [Kelaria]: in a sense... but they can also be lifestyles for some people... and these people often will only be friends with other "goth/emo/whatever" people.

2006-06-25 [Diiwica]: I think that that is insane... they would not like my friends

2006-07-26 [moonscale]: My friends are actually a mixture, which may be slightly unusual. htere is actually a "group" at my school for a ll the miscellaneous people. Of course, cliques only define stereotypes. But do you think its posible for people to wear more than one label?

2006-08-18 [Kelaria]: I wonder if people would be interested in expanding this page... like having pages go off this one where each person who has met people makes a wiki page and writes about the people they met. Like, where they met them and why and how and all that... I dunno, just an idea I had :)

2006-08-18 [Skydancer]: As long as it did not turn into a gossip column.. chuckle.. and one can remember the details... ah the juicy details... oh, wait, maybe I should not write about that... hmmm. never mind.. :D

2006-08-18 [Kelaria]: lol! no, not a gossip column XD

2006-08-20 [All_Most PUNK]: Gah! Dumb [Moonknight] and [Patri] organize a meeting so I can add myself to this list! *hates not being in lists*

2006-08-20 [ally]: Or you could buy me a ticket :)

2006-08-20 [All_Most PUNK]: Yeah, that would be a great solution too. And then we'd organize the meeting :)

2006-08-20 [ally]: Ah I'm glad you agree :) Now gimme! ^^

2006-08-20 [ally]: You could also take my spot in the list: I don't like to be on top.

2006-08-20 [Kelaria]: You're not on the top anymore :P

2006-08-20 [ally]: Yay =)

2006-08-20 [Kelaria]: So here's my idea for the new individual pages :D (that is, for those who want them, and will make them) --> Kelaria has met...

2006-08-20 [Skydancer]: Ah. perhaps when I have met a few more.. :)

2006-08-20 [Kelaria]: ^_^ I spent several hours working on that :P I'm pretty proud of it!

2006-08-23 [iippo]: Can one just add one's self?

2006-08-24 [Sunrose]: Yes :)

2006-08-26 [All_Most PUNK]: *sends Ally a plane ticket made of hope and paper mache*

2006-08-26 [ally]: Erh.. hoozay :P

2006-08-26 [All_Most PUNK]: Are those good news or what?

2006-08-26 [ally]: Yeah.. hmm papier maché ... lovely

2006-08-28 [All_Most PUNK]: :D I think that too. Maybe when I get paid (Friday, I hope) I can add something to it... But I don't know what... what else do tickets need?

2006-08-28 [iippo]: Glitter.

2006-08-28 [All_Most PUNK]: Glitter? Isn't that like... not very professional?

2006-08-28 [iippo]: I just thought it'd stick nicely to the maché.

2006-08-28 [All_Most PUNK]: Ah, yeah, that's true. The problem is that people in the airport may not believe that it is a real ticket.

2007-10-26 [Teufelsweib]: punk, you could be on this list right now if you wanted =p

2007-10-26 [ally]: I'm still waiting for my tickets.

2007-10-27 [All_Most PUNK]: Somebody add me, please.

I'm waiting for them too :(

2007-10-27 [Teufelsweib]: can't you add yourself?

2007-10-27 [All_Most PUNK]: I'm not arsed enough, right now.

2007-10-27 [iippo]: That's what you meant, oui? Or someone else as well?

2007-10-27 [Teufelsweib]: LOOK PUNK!! now you're in the wiki too =D xD

2007-10-28 [All_Most PUNK]: That's exactly it, iippo. The only elftowner I've met is Santi, so from that I infer that all elftowners are guys and bearded. Thanks a lot, hun.

My life is complete *tears*

2007-10-28 [Teufelsweib]: I am not a guy... ._.
shall not deny the beardedness on purpose ^^;;

2007-10-29 [iippo]: ...Have I ever told you of this girl I know? She's really into pirates and she's trying to grow a beard. By shaving her face to make the face-hair (yes, girls have fuzzy faces too) more bristly and hard, just like what happens when you shave your legs - the hair grows back tougher. Anyway, it's working.

2007-10-29 [Moonknight]: is that girl on drugs or something?

2007-10-29 [Teufelsweib]: *feels mousetache* I cut it off sometimes, but it doesn't grow back much better. it just feels a bit "sharper" because the ends are cut off different than it normally grows.
depends on the person I guess... =(

2007-10-29 [All_Most PUNK]: There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of pictures in the pictures wiki.

2007-10-29 [Moonknight]: no one payed attention to it,. blah

2007-10-29 [Teufelsweib]: ...there's a pictures wiki? =p

2007-10-29 [Sunrose]: Elftowners Meet Photos.. :p

2007-10-30 [All_Most PUNK]: I think you should urge them to upload, Santiago.

2007-10-30 [Moonknight]: No one listens to Santiago, so Santiago has given up on trying to be heard. but we can upload the ones from our meeting

2007-10-30 [All_Most PUNK]: Yes, those have to be uploaded.

2007-10-30 [iippo]: The people I've met don't necessarely want me to upload their pictures here (if and when I even managed to get any - there is a reason she is called the Elusive [windowframe] >_>)...

2007-10-31 [All_Most PUNK]: You are missing Isi in your list.

2007-10-31 [iippo]: ! :D I has met an isi indeed!

2007-10-31 [All_Most PUNK]: It's great that I have such good memory ;)

2007-11-06 [Isilando]: amg!

2009-03-29 [Sunrose]: Hellooo ooooo ooo ooo oo echooooooo oo ooooooooo ooooo

2009-03-31 [Teufelsweib]: .... hi

2009-04-01 [Sunrose]: *waves*

2009-04-02 [Teufelsweib]: :3 *jumps on*

2011-10-30 [Sunrose]: I has met [Yiwerra] ^^